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  Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.

  by hooberus in

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  evolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".

  they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).

  their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).

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  I didn't stutter Scotsman and I don't cherry-pick the evidence.

  I never said you did - just perhaps were ignoring some of it or perhaps unaware of the scientists who have a different view on the fossil record. There is indeed 2 sides to this story.

  Since I'm using half-measures would you mind listing some species here that I can go over with you what they evolved from and either why they died out or what animal they are ancestors to today.

  No point - you will merely read from a book / quote a scientific paper that suggests an evolutionery process of sorts which is yet to be proven.
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  Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.

  by hooberus in

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  evolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".

  they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).

  their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).

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  Then there's the entire fossil record.

  No half measures there Tuesday!

  The fact you say this suggests either you have not studied the fossil record in great detail or you are choosing to ignore a heck of a lot of it.
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  Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.

  by hooberus in

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  evolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".

  they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).

  their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).

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  Bravo Hooberus.

  Same old counter arguments are unearthed by the responses I see.
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  What Will the New Year Bring For You?

  by Think About It in

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  for me..... (1) new job.. (2) moving to canada.. (3) continue to hit the gym most days.. (4) no armaggedon.. what will the new year bring for you or what resolutions will you make?.

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  think about it .

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  Happy new year to you all.

  For me this year -

  1) Hopefully move house.

  2) If I attain my objectives - promotion in September.

  3) Oh and of course - diet starts next week.....
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  I find it very hard to believe in a god

  by Newborn in

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  but i find it equally hard to believe in the evolution theory .

  so for now, i chose not to believe in anything but myself and love.

  that was all.

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  I've read these posts and I fail to see any evidence to back your position

  Right back at ya!

  why billions of people can believe in blue gods, elephant gods, invisible gods, jackal gods, maize gods yadda yadda.

  I view it like the branches of a tree - all separate and distinct but all are attached to the trunk - different paths to the same destination.

  What you are describing is faith

  Correct. Not everyone has faith and this is where the problems start - people with no faith lecturing people who do have faith.

  Faith is beyond science. I am merely trying to tell you that you cannot rubber stamp everything as "fact" because somehow science has decided to accept it as a fact.

  the art of believing in something made up while pretending that it is as valid as assertion as fact

  You dare to tell me I am not open minded and you say this....LOL

  Bye.
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  I find it very hard to believe in a god

  by Newborn in

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  but i find it equally hard to believe in the evolution theory .

  so for now, i chose not to believe in anything but myself and love.

  that was all.

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  And the bottom line - even if there are some so-called holes - no evidence exists whatsoever that says the god of the bible is the answer to those wholes

  I will make a general point - one word - PREPOSITION!

  All of us approach the evidence based on a preposition - what we already believe. To say that "no evidence exists whatsoever that says the God of the bible is the answer" shows a lack of an openness on your part. Billions of people believe in a God of some kind and we are to assume not a shred of evidence exists to support this?

  Your faith is clearly stronger than mine - to assume no God - i.e. - nothing became something is beyond science, all evidence available and basic logic.

  Nothing in - nothing out.
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  I find it very hard to believe in a god

  by Newborn in

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  but i find it equally hard to believe in the evolution theory .

  so for now, i chose not to believe in anything but myself and love.

  that was all.

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  I'm sure it made perfect sense to the holocaust victims and the Rawanda genocides victims

  Oh right - so we are now blaming God for what humans did!

  Both of these examples merely highlight that humans can be downright evil to each other.

  And qcmbr - LOL. Your list has been debunked a 100 times!

  I am not a young earth creationist - the earth is clearly billions of years old. I am just saying that a higher intelligence was likely involved in the beginning of life. For me this was God.
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  I find it very hard to believe in a god

  by Newborn in

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  but i find it equally hard to believe in the evolution theory .

  so for now, i chose not to believe in anything but myself and love.

  that was all.

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  I can understand why people struggle to believe in God - as for me - I see God everywhere. His existence makes perfect sense to me.

  As for evolution - a subject discussed many times on here!!!!

  I have read soooo much on this subject - for and against. Still none the wiser - though some sort of creation event seems more logical. If you listen to the ramblings of someone like "book publisher Dawkins" he would have you convinced its a fact - but he ignores a heck of a lot of the evidence that does not support darwinian evolution.

  Evolution has more holes in it than swiss cheese!

  Dawkins is an atheist - so he is obviously going to promote a "non creation" origin.

  Of course - God and Evolution can co-exist - it is not one or the other.
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  DEMONS

  by Band on the Run in

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  growing up in the fifties and sixties, stories of demonic possession were prevalant in the watchtower and awake.

  i was terrified.

  we were told they would bother you if you were faithful, but also if you fell away.

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  Demons are as real as you and me.

  I do not fear them.
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  Advice/Encouragement from experienced Faders?

  by Mad Sweeney in

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  when your insanely active jw family members start leaning on your more moderate jw family members who still talk to and associate with you to get them to "mark" (aka "shun") you, how do you channel your anger/frustration into something useful?.

  i keep trying to show the moderate jws the contrast between the unkind active jw's shunning behavior and the real love the christ spoke about.

  it works to keep my moderate dub family in touch with me but it doesn't really do anything for my mood.

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  Someone said to me or maybe I read it (can't remember now!) that one of the greatest defences we have is to look happy, content and pleased with our life.

  JWs think that everyone that leave's must be faithless, immoral, depressed, worldly etc etc.

  If you can show that life after Watchtower is pretty good it is harder for them to ignore you.

  The slanderous stories that went around about me were shocking. Biggest was I had a breakdown and was severely depressed. but application of the above was the best response.

  I was invited to my sisters wedding (big JW event) and I went out of my way to tell anyone that asked how I was that everything was great, great job, going holidays etc etc. It puts them off balance and they start to view you as almost normal.

  When I first left I was pretty much shunned by everyone but in time people started to mellow, my mother started to phone again and people sent emails etc. Direct family members really backed off but it is better now - not great - but better.

  My final point I suppose is that it will never be perfect - you, me and everyone else that fades, DAd, DFd will be viewed as an outsider to some extent and to be kept at some sort of distance - though for some moderate JWs that distance is minimal.

  Best of luck with it - this site is living proof that life after Watchtower can be great and can include those who are still active JWs.

  The Scotsman